Opening discussion

[groundwater]

Shall we discuss our ideas?

[nvcexploder]

we shall!

[groundwater]

I would suggest we keep this process open, because that seems like the "nothing is sacred" approach

[brycebaril]

The main concept I have in mind for "Nothing Is Sacred" is the idea that reinvention and experimentation on "solved" problems should be healthy and encouraged, not shut down or shunned.

We should be willing to eschew or at least test/validate "best practices" and tear scaffolding down in order to rebuild something new.

One reason I brought @groundwater into this is his work around NodeOS and RuntimeJS -- these are fantastic examples of this concept.

I originally had the idea for this concept because of LevelDB, but I've also been working on some stuff around Date/Time.

Getting systemic changes from any of these ideas would be a crazy uphill battle, but even failures would help to highlight the things which are currently holding us back.

[max-mapper]

lets start a grassroots campaign to implement 64 bit integers in javascripts

[groundwater]

+1 on leveldb, databases are very "sacred"
+1 on time/date stuff

I would also like to encourage people away from saying the existing situations are "stupid" or "bullshit" etc and just talk about how we're just standing on the shoulders of great work that came before us. For example, nodeos tries to replace linux user land, but wouldn't be possible without having come so far with other distros.

[brycebaril]

Yes +1 on keeping it positive.

[nvcexploder]

Are there specific environments that can help foster these types of ideas/projects?

[groundwater]

I would obviously like to talk about nodeos/runtime and why writing a kernel with javascript is tons of fun.

[ceejbot]

Reinventing wheels a) teaches you how wheels work and b) sometimes improves the wheel a whole lot. So nothing should be safe from being considered for reinvention.

[wraithan]

I'm in the process of building my own bike computer from random components on websites and some of my own ideas. This is considered a solved problem that you can't really compete with garmin or one of the others. But it is super fun to me and I hope to come out of it with a bunch of material for others who would like to also pave their own way.

I think that cooking could be a good example of how "solved" problems still warrant experimentation. Cookies are pretty solved, but there are so many types. And you can always add a new filling or try different base ingredients. There are out of the box solutions, and sometimes you start with those then deviate, other times you go from scratch and must first invent the universe.

[max-mapper]

half thought out rant: I would to disassociate myself with "node" and replace it with something that better represents the shared values that I have with the people I write and teach and learn software with. Mostly because of all of the corporate ownership of "node" that makes the community look bad, but also because the identity/branding of node today doesn't do much to explain to newbies what I think my corner of the community is about

[kamilogorek]

+1 @maxogden

[voodootikigod]

@maxogden there isnt enough <3z I can give to this.

[aredridel]

@jeffreykegler is all about nothing is sacred with parsers.

[junosuarez]

ahhhhh all of this stuff makes me very excited!