Zooz devices have no groups beyond lifeline

[CalvesGEH]

I have a Z-Wave JS UI setup with the Homeassistant Connect ZWA-2 as my controller.

I have a bunch of Zooz devices setup around the house and want to use direct association with them but every node (On/Off switches, remotes, etc…) only has the lifeline group.

The devices are all S2_authenticated and the groups show up in the zwave-js.io database link for them. I have also tried re-interviewing the nodes but no new groups ever show up.

Here is one of my Zooz Zen71 On/Off switches:

and here is a log of the associations when I re-interviewed it:

Log

11:37:06.847 CNTRLR   [Node 261] Interviewing Association...
11:37:06.847 CNTRLR » [Node 261] querying number of association groups...
11:37:06.848 DRIVER » [Node 261] [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                      │ source node id:   1
                      │ transmit options: 0x25
                      │ callback id:      115
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 157
                        └─[AssociationCCSupportedGroupingsGet]
11:37:06.848 SERIAL » 0x011c00a9000101050e9f039d004961082bfa9f4e60a644250000000073b4      (30 bytes)
11:37:06.854 SERIAL « [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.856 SERIAL « 0x010401a90152                                                       (6 bytes)
11:37:06.856 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.856 DRIVER « [RES] [SendDataBridge]
                        was sent: true
11:37:06.872 SERIAL « 0x011d00a97300000100aa7f7f7f7f030306000000000401000000a600b1a324    (31 bytes)
11:37:06.872 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.872 DRIVER « [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                        callback id:                           115
                        transmit status:                       OK, took 10 ms
                        routing attempts:                      1
                        protocol & route speed:                Z-Wave Long Range, 100 kbit/s
                        routing scheme:                        Resort to Direct
                        ACK RSSI:                              -86 dBm
                        ACK channel no.:                       3
                        TX channel no.:                        3
                        TX power:                              0 dBm
                        measured noise floor:                  -90 dBm
                        ACK TX power by destination:           0 dBm
                        measured RSSI of ACK from destination: -79 dBm
                        measured noise floor by destination:   -93 dBm
11:37:06.885 SERIAL « 0x011d00a800000101050f9f03cf0014e54217b33cc2d09fde8800a900fea317    (31 bytes)
11:37:06.885 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.886 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association] groupCount: 1             [Endpoint 0] [internal]
11:37:06.886 DRIVER « [Node 261] [REQ] [BridgeApplicationCommand]
                      │ RSSI: -87 dBm
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 207
                        │ security class:  S2_Authenticated
                        └─[AssociationCCSupportedGroupingsReport]
                            group count: 1
11:37:06.886 CNTRLR « [Node 261] supports 1 association groups
11:37:06.886 CNTRLR » [Node 261] querying association group #1...
11:37:06.886 DRIVER » [Node 261] [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                      │ source node id:   1
                      │ transmit options: 0x25
                      │ callback id:      116
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 158
                        └─[AssociationCCGet]
                            group id: 1
11:37:06.886 SERIAL » 0x011d00a9000101050f9f039e00e7f74f464126cba3b5d60325000000007464    (31 bytes)
11:37:06.892 SERIAL « [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.895 SERIAL « 0x010401a90152                                                       (6 bytes)
11:37:06.895 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.895 DRIVER « [RES] [SendDataBridge]
                        was sent: true
11:37:06.911 SERIAL « 0x011d00a97400000100a87f7f7f7f0303060000000004010000ffa6ffc4a651    (31 bytes)
11:37:06.911 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.911 DRIVER « [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                        callback id:                           116
                        transmit status:                       OK, took 10 ms
                        routing attempts:                      1
                        protocol & route speed:                Z-Wave Long Range, 100 kbit/s
                        routing scheme:                        Resort to Direct
                        ACK RSSI:                              -88 dBm
                        ACK channel no.:                       3
                        TX channel no.:                        3
                        TX power:                              -1 dBm
                        measured noise floor:                  -90 dBm
                        ACK TX power by destination:           -1 dBm
                        measured RSSI of ACK from destination: -60 dBm
                        measured noise floor by destination:   -90 dBm
11:37:06.923 SERIAL « 0x012000a80000010105129f03d000b1bdba07027caea5d2c875bfeae100a500fba (34 bytes)
                      6cb
11:37:06.923 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.924 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association] nodeIds[1]: 1             [Endpoint 0] [internal]
11:37:06.924 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association] maxNodes[1]: 1            [Endpoint 0] [internal]
11:37:06.924 DRIVER « [Node 261] [REQ] [BridgeApplicationCommand]
                      │ RSSI: -91 dBm
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 208
                        │ security class:  S2_Authenticated
                        └─[AssociationCCReport]
                            group id:          1
                            max # of nodes:    1
                            node IDs:          1
                            reports to follow: 0
11:37:06.924 CNTRLR « [Node 261] received information for association group #1:
                      maximum # of nodes: 1
                      currently assigned nodes: 1
11:37:06.924 CNTRLR   [Node 261] AssociationCC: delaying configuration of lifeline associations unti
                      l after Multi Channel Association interview...
11:37:06.924 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association] interviewComplete: true   [Endpoint 0] [internal]
11:37:06.924 CNTRLR   [Node 261] Interviewing Multi Channel Association...
11:37:06.924 CNTRLR » [Node 261] querying number of multi channel association groups...
11:37:06.925 DRIVER » [Node 261] [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                      │ source node id:   1
                      │ transmit options: 0x25
                      │ callback id:      117
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 159
                        └─[MultiChannelAssociationCCSupportedGroupingsGet]
11:37:06.925 SERIAL » 0x011c00a9000101050e9f039f0004eb7cb583d07bfaf52625000000007535      (30 bytes)
11:37:06.931 SERIAL « [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.933 SERIAL « 0x010401a90152                                                       (6 bytes)
11:37:06.933 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.933 DRIVER « [RES] [SendDataBridge]
                        was sent: true
11:37:06.951 SERIAL « 0x011d00a97500000100a87f7f7f7f0303060000000004010000fea6fec4a85e    (31 bytes)
11:37:06.951 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.951 DRIVER « [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                        callback id:                           117
                        transmit status:                       OK, took 10 ms
                        routing attempts:                      1
                        protocol & route speed:                Z-Wave Long Range, 100 kbit/s
                        routing scheme:                        Resort to Direct
                        ACK RSSI:                              -88 dBm
                        ACK channel no.:                       3
                        TX channel no.:                        3
                        TX power:                              -2 dBm
                        measured noise floor:                  -90 dBm
                        ACK TX power by destination:           -2 dBm
                        measured RSSI of ACK from destination: -60 dBm
                        measured noise floor by destination:   -88 dBm
11:37:06.964 SERIAL « 0x011d00a800000101050f9f03d10044c07ca9fd9d72c301122b00a500faa842    (31 bytes)
11:37:06.964 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.965 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Multi Channel Association] groupCount: [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                       1
11:37:06.965 DRIVER « [Node 261] [REQ] [BridgeApplicationCommand]
                      │ RSSI: -91 dBm
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 209
                        │ security class:  S2_Authenticated
                        └─[MultiChannelAssociationCCSupportedGroupingsReport]
                            group count: 1
11:37:06.965 CNTRLR « [Node 261] supports 1 multi channel association groups
11:37:06.965 CNTRLR » [Node 261] querying multi channel association group #1...
11:37:06.966 DRIVER » [Node 261] [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                      │ source node id:   1
                      │ transmit options: 0x25
                      │ callback id:      118
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 160
                        └─[MultiChannelAssociationCCGet]
                            group id: 1
11:37:06.966 SERIAL » 0x011d00a9000101050f9f03a0008845fbfabc951a86e5b3b7250000000076b6    (31 bytes)
11:37:06.972 SERIAL « [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.974 SERIAL « 0x010401a90152                                                       (6 bytes)
11:37:06.974 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.974 DRIVER « [RES] [SendDataBridge]
                        was sent: true
11:37:06.990 SERIAL « 0x011d00a97600000100aa7f7f7f7f0303060000000004010000ffa5ffc4aa5e    (31 bytes)
11:37:06.990 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:06.990 DRIVER « [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                        callback id:                           118
                        transmit status:                       OK, took 10 ms
                        routing attempts:                      1
                        protocol & route speed:                Z-Wave Long Range, 100 kbit/s
                        routing scheme:                        Resort to Direct
                        ACK RSSI:                              -86 dBm
                        ACK channel no.:                       3
                        TX channel no.:                        3
                        TX power:                              -1 dBm
                        measured noise floor:                  -91 dBm
                        ACK TX power by destination:           -1 dBm
                        measured RSSI of ACK from destination: -60 dBm
                        measured noise floor by destination:   -86 dBm
11:37:07.003 SERIAL « 0x012000a80000010105129f03d2005e196068953e17e8e7238f68479700a500fba (34 bytes)
                      a32
11:37:07.004 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Multi Channel Association] endpoints[1 [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                      ]: 
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Multi Channel Association] nodeIds[1]: [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                       1
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Multi Channel Association] maxNodes[1] [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                      : 1
11:37:07.004 DRIVER « [Node 261] [REQ] [BridgeApplicationCommand]
                      │ RSSI: -91 dBm
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 210
                        │ security class:  S2_Authenticated
                        └─[MultiChannelAssociationCCReport]
                            group id:           1
                            maximum # of nodes: 1
                            node ids:           1
                            endpoints:
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR « [Node 261] received information for multi channel association group #1:
                      maximum # of nodes:           1
                      currently assigned nodes:     1
                      currently assigned endpoints: 
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR   [Node 261] Checking/assigning lifeline groups: 1
                      supports classic associations:       true
                      supports multi channel associations: true
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR   [Node 261] Configuring lifeline group #1:
                      group supports multi channel:  true
                      configured strategy:           auto
                      must use node association:     true
                      must use endpoint association: false
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR   [Node 261] Lifeline group #1 is already assigned with a node association
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association] hasLifeline: true         [Endpoint 0] [internal]
11:37:07.004 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Multi Channel Association] interviewCo [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                      mplete: true
11:37:07.005 CNTRLR   [Node 261] Interviewing Association Group Information...
11:37:07.005 CNTRLR » [Node 261] Association group #1: Querying name...
11:37:07.005 DRIVER » [Node 261] [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                      │ source node id:   1
                      │ transmit options: 0x25
                      │ callback id:      119
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 161
                        └─[AssociationGroupInfoCCNameGet]
                            group id: 1
11:37:07.005 SERIAL » 0x011d00a9000101050f9f03a1004a7fdffb21f891694ca8d02500000000772a    (31 bytes)
11:37:07.011 SERIAL « [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.013 SERIAL « 0x010401a90152                                                       (6 bytes)
11:37:07.013 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.013 DRIVER « [RES] [SendDataBridge]
                        was sent: true
11:37:07.029 SERIAL « 0x011d00a97700000100ac7f7f7f7f030306000000000401000002a502b3ab2f    (31 bytes)
11:37:07.029 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.029 DRIVER « [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                        callback id:                           119
                        transmit status:                       OK, took 10 ms
                        routing attempts:                      1
                        protocol & route speed:                Z-Wave Long Range, 100 kbit/s
                        routing scheme:                        Resort to Direct
                        ACK RSSI:                              -84 dBm
                        ACK channel no.:                       3
                        TX channel no.:                        3
                        TX power:                              2 dBm
                        measured noise floor:                  -91 dBm
                        ACK TX power by destination:           2 dBm
                        measured RSSI of ACK from destination: -77 dBm
                        measured noise floor by destination:   -85 dBm
11:37:07.043 SERIAL « 0x012600a80000010105189f03d3000a0a805be54a73cec3dc63d753200dc19a57c (40 bytes)
                      24100ac0002abb5
11:37:07.043 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.043 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association Group Information] name[1] [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                      : "Lifeline"
11:37:07.043 DRIVER « [Node 261] [REQ] [BridgeApplicationCommand]
                      │ RSSI: -84 dBm
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 211
                        │ security class:  S2_Authenticated
                        └─[AssociationGroupInfoCCNameReport]
                            group id: 1
                            name:     Lifeline
11:37:07.043 CNTRLR « [Node 261] Association group #1 has name "Lifeline"
11:37:07.043 CNTRLR » [Node 261] Association group #1: Querying command list...
11:37:07.044 DRIVER » [Node 261] [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                      │ source node id:   1
                      │ transmit options: 0x25
                      │ callback id:      120
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 162
                        └─[AssociationGroupInfoCCCommandListGet]
                            group id:    1
                            allow cache: true
11:37:07.044 SERIAL » 0x011e00a900010105109f03a20069b2666b89ec55a217238f5725000000007896  (32 bytes)
11:37:07.050 SERIAL « [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.052 SERIAL « 0x010401a90152                                                       (6 bytes)
11:37:07.052 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.053 DRIVER « [RES] [SendDataBridge]
                        was sent: true
11:37:07.068 SERIAL « 0x011d00a97800000100ae7f7f7f7f030306000000000401000004a604b5a925    (31 bytes)
11:37:07.068 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.068 DRIVER « [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                        callback id:                           120
                        transmit status:                       OK, took 10 ms
                        routing attempts:                      1
                        protocol & route speed:                Z-Wave Long Range, 100 kbit/s
                        routing scheme:                        Resort to Direct
                        ACK RSSI:                              -82 dBm
                        ACK channel no.:                       3
                        TX channel no.:                        3
                        TX power:                              4 dBm
                        measured noise floor:                  -90 dBm
                        ACK TX power by destination:           4 dBm
                        measured RSSI of ACK from destination: -75 dBm
                        measured noise floor by destination:   -87 dBm
11:37:07.083 SERIAL « 0x012800a800000101051a9f03d4005ab49f30f07b7fb61ad67abe92824b3407dc1 (42 bytes)
                      25f112c00ad0003a9e0
11:37:07.083 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.083 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association Group Information] issuedC [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                      ommands[1]: [object Map]
11:37:07.084 DRIVER « [Node 261] [REQ] [BridgeApplicationCommand]
                      │ RSSI: -83 dBm
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 212
                        │ security class:  S2_Authenticated
                        └─[AssociationGroupInfoCCCommandListReport]
                            group id: 1
                            commands:
                            · Central Scene: 0x03, 0x06
                            · Binary Switch: 0x03
                            · Indicator: 0x03
                            · Device Reset Locally: 0x01
11:37:07.084 CNTRLR » [Node 261] Association group #1: Querying info...
11:37:07.084 DRIVER » [Node 261] [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                      │ source node id:   1
                      │ transmit options: 0x25
                      │ callback id:      121
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 163
                        └─[AssociationGroupInfoCCInfoGet]
                            group id:      1
                            refresh cache: false
11:37:07.084 SERIAL » 0x011e00a900010105109f03a300ed8a9eec0780823ddbe7ac9125000000007912  (32 bytes)
11:37:07.090 SERIAL « [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.093 SERIAL « 0x010401a90152                                                       (6 bytes)
11:37:07.093 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.093 DRIVER « [RES] [SendDataBridge]
                        was sent: true
11:37:07.109 SERIAL « 0x011d00a97900000100af7f7f7f7f030306000000000401000005a805b7a828    (31 bytes)
11:37:07.109 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.109 DRIVER « [REQ] [SendDataBridge]
                        callback id:                           121
                        transmit status:                       OK, took 10 ms
                        routing attempts:                      1
                        protocol & route speed:                Z-Wave Long Range, 100 kbit/s
                        routing scheme:                        Resort to Direct
                        ACK RSSI:                              -81 dBm
                        ACK channel no.:                       3
                        TX channel no.:                        3
                        TX power:                              5 dBm
                        measured noise floor:                  -88 dBm
                        ACK TX power by destination:           5 dBm
                        measured RSSI of ACK from destination: -73 dBm
                        measured noise floor by destination:   -88 dBm
11:37:07.122 SERIAL « 0x012400a80000010105169f03d50082d7c736c4c7d38744c9996c9428037247330 (38 bytes)
                      0ad0003a81d
11:37:07.123 SERIAL » [ACK]                                                                   (0x06)
11:37:07.123 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association Group Information] hasDyna [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                      micInfo: false
11:37:07.123 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association Group Information] info[1] [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                      : {"mode":0,"profile":1,"eventCode":0}
11:37:07.124 DRIVER « [Node 261] [REQ] [BridgeApplicationCommand]
                      │ RSSI: -83 dBm
                      └─[Security2CCMessageEncapsulation]
                        │ sequence number: 213
                        │ security class:  S2_Authenticated
                        └─[AssociationGroupInfoCCInfoReport]
                            is list mode:     false
                            has dynamic info: false
                            groups:
                            · Group #1
                              mode:       0
                              profile:    1
                              event code: 0
11:37:07.124 CNTRLR « [Node 261] Received info for association group #1:
                      info is dynamic: false
                      profile:         General: Lifeline
11:37:07.124 CNTRLR   [Node 261] [+] [Association Group Information] intervi [Endpoint 0] [internal]
                      ewComplete: true

Any help would be appreciated.

[robertsLando]

cc @AlCalzone

[AlCalzone]

In the log you posted, the device reports that it supports exactly one association group.
I think this is a case for the Zooz support.

[CalvesGEH]

Just in case someone finds this and is running into the same issue, Zooz gave me this information:

Based on the node ID number (over 232) and that beaming (repeating) is false in the logs, this indicates you have the device included via Z-Wave Long Range, which by default cannot support direct association programming.

[AlCalzone]

🙈 how did I not notice that?

[kpine]

Might be a useful ZUI feature request: e.g. show some warning in the groups UI about no associations other than lifeline being supported in LR mode (or beaming disabled), or similar.

[CalvesGEH]

I will say that I had no idea that direct associations wasn't available in Long Range Inclusion. It makes a lot of sense why that is the case in hindsight but I did not even think about it at the time.

[robertsLando]

PR: #4545 (review)